Posted by x-man on November 15, 2000.
In Reply to: Roulette: No math? Dealers can cheat? posted by Ion Saliu on November 14, 2000
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: • I received the following message. I think it is worth posting it here because it leads to various interpretations. I only made minor changes, mostly cosmetic. I also made sure the author’s anonymity was assured.
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: “Can humans predict the outcome of random events: No way
: When gambling: I use my own system (non-computer)
: What is the best feature in a lottery program?: The scientific basis
: Comments: I read your theory of math in roulette. As you said there is
: no bias in a wheel. The dealers that have been spinning the ball for
: years can control the ball almost perfect! They can spin it a few times
: and get their bearings and then it's bye, bye system! I played a roulette system
: that won me $4000 per visit and beat them all until they found out how
: I was playing and they, and when I say they, I mean all the Casinos in
: the same (. . .) at the same time! They e-mail each other with photos
: and info. I makeup new systems as a hobby. I study Roulette everyday.
: If your system only makes $400 after all day that is not worth the trouble.
: I too agree the wheel can be beaten. I have done it! I just don't believe it is predictable. No one can tell what's next. There is no mathematical chain of events in single numbers. Sure you can figure you will hit a big dozen after so many roulette spins. You can even go broke doing that. If I can get an honest dealer and put a chip on a split for him or her I can guarantee you a fortune. As soon as the pit boss says "don't hit" it's over. I just came up with a new system that plays the whole board. It does not and cannot win every time; you must increase your bet and over a short time give you a large considerable amount of profit.
: You say you need $5000 to play your roulette gambling system but say no system is good without an increase. You must be losing a lot or doubling one. The casino table limits will catch you too if you don't watch it. My new system does not reach anywhere close to the limits. There's a simple flaw in the numbers that makes the profit and knowing where to place the bets wins the cash. I could never say math or any prediction would win. It has to hit somewhere so cover it all. The free roulette system (#1) you offered... Please erase it! Some people may make the mistake of trying it. It is total bull! At least give away something that is half way workable. This kind of a "free" roulette system giveaway totally blows my confidence in you. I like to check out other systems but most of the time they are something that some amateur just made up to make some money on the internet. Now you say.. "What will you give for it?" What kind of question is that? You say it works, it works! How much will I give? Put a price on it and guarantee it!!!!
: Money back! If people win they will not return it and get a refund. If
: I knew I could win big money with and paid $5000 for it what would I
: care? That would just be a few weeks work. I can also tell you if the
: Casinos can bust you with it or not. Not knocking your gambling system I'm sure
: your proud of it. I just DO NOT like to hear the math thing. Good luck
: and I hope you make millions on it, from the Casinos and not the public.
: Thanks, (. . .) “
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: • A little more math on my free roulette system. The probability to hit in the very first try is (38-4)/38 = 34/38 = 0.8947, approximately 90%. The probability to win 2 times in a row, at any given moment is 0.8947 to the power of 2 = 80%. The free system says to wait for 2 losses in a row. That is, the last 4 numbers hit twice in a row. The probability to happen is 4/38 to the power of 2 = 1%. The probability to happen 3 times in a row is 1 in 1000 (I approximate it to one week). The losing probability is even lower for not playing for longer periods at the same table. Imagine this: you play the pick-3 lottery selectively (with breaks in the action). The winning chance is slimmer . . .
: I wonder why many people believe mathematics has no role in gambling!? Gambling is founded on mathematics, as a matter of fact.
: How about casino dealer cheating? I don’t really believe that. How can they possibly keep track of a large number of system parameters and beat them? Maybe, hypothetically, they see a high roller at the table betting a huge amount on a single number; the roulette dealer might have the dexterity to make sure that “the number” does not come out.
: I believe more in the intimidation factor, than in the cheating factor. That’s one of the main reasons I recommend team playing. The other reason is the bankroll. The casinos have the advantage of virtually limitless bankrolls. The players should try to mimic that. Obviously, there is no way a team of players can play with the same bankroll as the casinos; but the players don’t need that ad literam.
: Ion Saliu
Both of you make some very valid points. One disagreement that I would have is the idea that a roulette dealer can throw the ball where they want. To prove this is false I will offer this contest. Any dealer that can throw three consecutive roulette balls into the zero or either two numbers on each side of zero will win 50,000 dollars. The roulette dealers will pay an entry fee of 1000 dollars each to try --- I guarantee there will be no takers. If any roulette dealer wants to take me up on this offer leave your e-mail address and I will send you the details. Anyone who believes they know a dealer that can do this, put up the money for your favorite croupier and split the profits or stop spreading this lie.
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