From:
Norman Wattenberger
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2000 12:00 am
Email: "Norman Wattenberger" norm@qfit.com
Groups: rec.gambling.blackjack
A new version of CV (Casino Verité) Blackjack has been released. A free upgrade is available to many users at qfit.com.
That's great to hear (eh, read) Norm. I didn't figure that we were ever going to hear from you again. But the maroons are asleep [he whispers]
Rusty Martin(i)
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Al Gore - NBC's "Meet the Press," 10/13/96
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From: JAQK Fowuru (really Ion Saliu)
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2000 12:00 am
Groups: rec.gambling.blackjack
In article sf78db884nk...@corp.supernews.com,
"Norman Wattenberger" norm@qfit.com wrote:
“A new version of CV Blackjack has been released. A free upgrade is available to many users at qfit.com.”
-- You may want to know who real Mr. Norman Wattenberger is. He sent me the following messages in 1999, in "response" to my posting "Gambling Is Science". He never posted his gambling opinions in an open forum ("coward", he would say). I advised readers of my posts that "responses" serve also interests. Mr. Norman Wattenberger represents the interests of www.qfit.com -- an online gambling venture. My opinions in gambling do not serve the interests of www.qfit.com at all. On the contrary... This is NOT an attempt on my part to advertise my lottery, gambling, probability site. My Web site no longer offers anything for sale. Everything is free (for registered members). There is no gambling advertising at all at my website.
Here are the messages:
"1, Using an insult (questioning my sanity) is not 'arguing.'
2. Yes, they are BlackJack authors. But half of them have PHD's in math or statistics.
3. You have shown ZERO proof that your 'formula' has any merit. So what is there to argue against?
• Ion Saliu: Ask around in university campuses around the world about the validity of my formula. Undeniable mathematics, theory of probability at its best. Also, The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office included my software in their database. It will be checked against any new patent applications in related fields, such as lottery, gambling, mathematics, statistics, probability theory.
4. You simply do not understand the meaning of random. If it can be formulized, it is not random. That is the definition.
• Ion Saliu:
What's not random, Norm "Worm" Wormtenburger? You are too much of an idiotic bully to think of such things, like randomness. Actually, can you think? NOT! There is a branch of science named theory of probability which studies random events using a plethora of formulae. For example, the FORMULA to get four "heads" in a row is p = 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/16. I took a simplest of formulas, for your brain to comprehend :)
5. You want relevant probability books? Read Cartwright, Edwards, Stewart, Van Lint, Gharamani, Coolidge.
• Ion Saliu: : How about Pascal, Fermat, Laplace, de Moivre...
6. You are either a con man or an idiot. Which is it?
• Ion Saliu: An idiot...sometimes...because I don't keep some things to myself...
----- Original Message -----
From: saliu@my-Deja.com
To: Norman Wattenberger norm@qfit.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Gambling Is Science
-- Arguing should only be done in a sane manner. Secondly, an argument should clearly show the counter points, i.e. what is wrong with the gambling formula. Incidentally, you listed a number of blackjack writers, not mathematicians. Random events are the realm of theory of probability, a science that uses formulae ... plenty of formulas!
• Ion Saliu:
PS
Continuing to send me emails in your manner will be dealt with as spamming.
IS
On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:03:38
Norman Wattenberger norm@qfit.com wrote:
This is a flat out lie. Every, and I mean, every mathematic study of gambling states that this is nonsense. Read anything by Thorp, Wong, Schlesinger, Humble, Snyder, Carlson, Chambliss, Vancura, Fuchs, Anderson, Griffin, Uston. Everyone of them will tell you random events cannot, by definition, be captured in formulae. This is, in fact, the definition of random. You are either a con man or an idiot.
• Ion Saliu: An idiot...is you...plus the bunch you nominated...
From: saliu@my-Deja.com
To: Norman Wattenberger norm@qfit.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Gambling Is Science
-- All the facts presented are totally based on science. Everybody with some knowledge of mathematics can verify them -- and the facts have been verified and confirmed.
Ion Saliu:
On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:22:15 Norman Wattenberger wrote:
How dare you lie about Pascal and spread such nonsense. Do you really want people to lose their money with made-up pseudo-science based upon lies? Have you no shame?
• Ion Saliu: Yeah, right! A casino guy cares (huh?) about casino players losing money! Gimme a handkerchief to wipe off those crocodile tears!
From: saliu@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.blackjack
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 12:54 PM
Subject: Gambling Is Science
Hi! I'm Ion Saliu, the author of those "interesting theories" the user "drakis" speaks about in his message. He/she probably refers to my Fundamental Formula of Gambling www.saliu.com/Saliu2.htm). Even highly random events such as gambling and lottery can be "captured" in formulas. I also offer free software to apply the gambling formula to several forms of lottery. The morale is: if it doesn't have a scientific basis (i.e. mathematical formula), it is garbage. That's how you should judge any gambling or lottery system. Your comments will be always welcome, no matter what.
Good luck!
Ion Saliu
"I received a phone call
From one who claimed was tall.
Then, he cursed me even worse
For my gambling on the horse."
• An editor's note - May 2010
Norman Wattenberger went silent for many years after that cyber skirmish we "fought". He resurfaced in 2007/2008 with another threatening email. He claimed that this very page violated his copyrights! You send me an email: I do whatever I want with it. But I will always give you credit as the author of the email, or letter, or any other material you sent to me. Norm also attacked me virulently in other forums, being certain that I would not have knowledge of his whereabouts. When I “rediscovered” him in another blackjack forum in 2008, he was shocked ... and disappeared again, for some time ... Still, he wouldn't miss an opportunity to attack me viciously ... in absentia only! He would remain silent as paralyzed when he “knows” I'm present.
By the way, Norman Wattenberger has written blackjack software and books — all advocating card-counting. No wonder he has been such a vociferous advocate of lack of formulas in randomness!
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